Extra terrestrial intelligences

Man and current humanity living on Earth consider life as - and limit life to - anything that can be perceived and grasped with contemporary mundane waking consciousness and the physical senses. This assumes that intelligent life can only be of a physical form and substance.

However life in the solar system and cosmos beyond the Earth contains life in many different forms, and at various levels of development.

This topic page groups a number of statements by initiates such as Daskalos, Sri M, Helena Blavatsky and Rudolf Steiner about extra terrestrial intelligences (ETI) that are more advanced than current humanity, and their interaction with humanity through the various epochs in the context of the development of Man on Earth.

In summary:

humanity lives in a cosmos with various more advanced spiritual beings that are part of other communities such as those grouped on the planets of our solar system.
these beings are spiritual entities (and so not material or mineral-physical like Man on Earth)
- they can materialize down from the spirit world and clothe themselves through the astral and etheric to appear in any form and ways not bound by the laws of physics. See also Discussion 2 on UFOs below.
- they are at much higher levels of consciousness and hence only benevolent to humanity on Earth as stakeholders of humanity's development to brotherhood and selfless love rising above polarization and evil.

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Importantly: aliens have been part of the constructed narrative by the established powers and worldwide media to plant seeds and clearly position them as a security threat and an enemy of mankind in order to justify the building of defense systems. This is because that system always requires an enemy to create the divide and control the alignment of resources. See also Discussion Note 3 below.

Aspects

disclaimer: Some topics have an extraordinary potential for causing sensation, quite irrespective of their importance in an overall understanding of spiritual scientific matters. Because they stand at a tangent of the contemporary worldview of materialistic mineral science, they can easily be ridiculed as they defy the limited understanding of world and cosmos by the contemporary materialistic worldview. Furthermore these topics are bound to inspire wild phantasies out of ignorance in popular media, that are difficult to qualify for the uneducated reader from genuine stories by initiates.

summary position

main sources
- Daskalos, as quoted by
  - Kyriacos C. Markides in 'The magus of Strovolos' (MoS, 1985) and 'Homage to the Sun' (HTS, 1987)
  - Daniel Joseph in 'You are the Whale' (2020), Ch 9. Guardians of the Garden Earth
- Sri M in his books 'Apprenticed to a Himalayan Master' (AHM, 2010) and 'The Journey Continues' (TJC, 2017).
  - The events described in the quotes below happened in a 3,5 year period he spent with Sri Maheshwarnath Babaji at the age of 20-23, so around the years 1970-73.
- Rudolf Steiner
  - describes the higher beings on Earth in the Polarian and Hyperborean epochs, also the divine nature of the leadership of mankind since the Lemurian epoch. See more on the Three classes of Buddhas (oa Schema FMC00.313). These advanced beings are described of being at the level of archai or archangels and linked to the planetary spheres Venus and Mercury. Also, only in the future, "the sixth epoch will have the first beings that arose from humanity itself and that will lead humanity as Manu. This is a transition from the divine leaders to the human masters". More on this also on Spiritual guidance of mankind
  - A starting point for approaching this topic is the study of the impulses given in the Lemurian epoch (see Schema FMC00.457), and the higher beings and so-called divine teachers of mankind that were (and are) not of human origin. For introductory background see Schema FMC00.362 on Planets hosting beings at various stages of evolution and Schema FMC00.313 on Three classes of Buddhas.
extra-terrestrial intelligences as described by Daskalos in relationship with beings from Mars, and what humans experience as flying saucers; synthetic extracts (SWCC) from the quotes below:
- ".. extraterrestrials who visit us may be .. from other solar systems and .. visit us .. to .. help us evolve. They appear like flying saucers as a way of expressing themselves to us in a material form that we can understand. When they enter our system they gather matter from our planet and appear with the known human form characteristic of our planet .. When Martians comes to Earth and arrive in the ionosphere of the Earth they creates, by thought, whatever they desire. The objects created often appear to us as flying saucers."
- ".. those intelligences are more advanced and are masters of matter, they can materialize and dematerialize themselves at will. If he decides to materialize on Earth, he assumes the shape of a human being .. but they are not bound to a place by a body .. the body is more like a house, and as an entity he gets in and out with as much ease as we enter and leave our homes. "
- Daskalos further stated
  - Extra Terrestrial intelligences have come in the past, are coming now and will continue to come to the Earth in the future.
  - he knew of over 40 different ETI groups coming to Earth and observing humanity .. they are very advanced super intelligences that truly love us, and help us to try and protect us from ourselves, as 'Guardians of Garden Earth' .. but they "prefer to watch humans from afar"
  - he never met any with evil dispositions as they are coming from planets where there is no sense of evil .. they are affectionate, very loving, very wise .. like an archangel
  - these light beings are not composed of substance but of light, yet they can form and materialize any kind of body by their thought
  - are masters of (de)materialization, so they can materialize with ships or disappear in an instant, be traceable on radar or not and just appear as a bright light or star without material vessel
  - communication is no with language but with attunement (merging) of consciousness and transference .. they know in an instant everything about you (all your lives) and everything you know .. in contacts you also receive and feel love as a great bliss
    - "What more? What else do the space people give .. when you come in touch with them? In passing these things to you, they also give you love. And you feel that love as not only satisfaction, but also as a great bliss."

various

higher divine beings and guidance of humanity on Earth - contemplate the correlation or potential relation between the following:
- the description given by Sri M's guru Sri Maheshwarnath Babaji (see quote below, Sri M - TJC - Ch. 10)
  - extract (SWCC): ".. advanced extra-terrestrial visitors came to Earth .. from a planet in a constellation many light years away ... seven 'Sapta Rishis' landed on the summit of the Kailash peak .. to teach a selected few the knowledge that had to be imparted .. these great beings were androgynous .. two of them died because they could not adjust to the new environment .. and were mummified to be viewed by special individuals from future generations"
- the 'coming of the Lords of Venus' in the Lemurian epoch, as described by Helena Blavatsky (see Ch. 34 in The Solar system by Powell)
beings called 'Nagas' from a planet called 'Sarpa Loka'
- extract (SWCC): "when humanity was still in infant stages of evolution .. the wise and evolved Nagas from Sarpa Loka frequented the Earth and spent long periods here, teaching and educating human beings" .. "The snake worship you come across in all ancient civilizations is a tribute to the advanced Nagas of yore ... Patanjali .. was himself a Naga, and is depicted as half man and half snake."
- for an overview of serpent worship in ancient traditions and religions worldwide, see Alexander Wilder (1877) in the 'Further reading' section below. See also Uraeus-serpent as the pharaoh's symbol of deity (more on Egypto-Chaldean cultural age). And for a more general coverage see also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serpent_symbolism
high spiritual beings known by humanity as 'one of them' with given human names, but in fact not of human origin
- White Lodge#Note 2 - Sri Guru Babaji Sri M states clearly this is a spiritual being of a higher nature, and eternal, not a human spirit incarnated into a physical body.
- Daskalos states "some superintelligences are here on Earth among other human beings, looking and moving like ordinary people .. it is possible that when such a superintelligence comes down he acquires a name" .. and goes on to describe Saint Paul. See also Schema FMC00.430.

Inspirational quotes

Sri Maheshwarnath Babaji

... truth is stranger than fiction ... .. there is hope that [people] might at some point realize that there are greater realms of consciousness which cannot be comprehended by dry logic and currently available levels of intelligence.

Daskalos

.. I am telling you .. I have come into contact with such beings .. and know a lot about them Do you think it is easy to discuss these matters publicly? Who is going to believe me? Who is going to accept what I say?

Illustrations

Lecture coverage and references

Rudolf Steiner

Whereas Rudolf Steiner does not explicitly use the more modern term extra-terrestrial beings, he does refer to the divine super-human teachers of mankind in many lectures. Below are just a few (of the many) quotes taken from the site, with references to the topic pages.

1903-12-22-GA090A

is a lecture on cosmology and the planets. At the end of the lecture Rudolf Steiner comments:

These indications have to be considered with certain pre-conditions. A lot has come to our knowledge through tradition. Even the Masters only know certain things though the fact that records are available from times when these things were still known. In the middle of the Lemurian epoch the great teachers came, so we can know something from the Dhyani-Chohans. The Secret Doctrine has been created on the basis of these records. Originally it were only the Dzyan stanzas. These were available in extremely old notes, and were only accessible under very special conditions.

Note, earlier in this lecture is described how the beings of Venus and Mercury are ahead of Earth development and are working in the whole solar system, and how they became teachers in the Lemurian epoch when the Earth needed this influence.

more on: Book of Dzyan#1903-12-22-GA090A

1904-09-06-GA091

The arhats are highly developed beings that, whenever they incarnate, stand much higher than any normal human being. They have the capability to live in the higher planes and communicate there, also receive orders there. Hence these were messengers of the gods, kings and leaders of humanity. At most they could attract a few men to them, but overall the rest of men were guided rather unconsciously. This lasted throughout the Atlantean epoch.
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The Rishis were the first initiated Men, all the ones before were gods that had descended.
Now a new phenomena occured with new beings: initiates that origine from Earth development itself .. and that could become leaders. .. Since then these have incarnated again and again, and are now called Masters. The sixth epoch will have the first beings that arose from humanity itself and that will lead humanity as Manu. This is a transition from the divine leaders to the human masters (or mahatmas).

more on: Three classes of Buddhas#1904-09-06-GA091

1912-08-XX-GA265A

freely translated from DE

The workings of Lucifer and Ahriman can be found in modern life and new inventions such as aviation and so on. Through all these, the Earth is being shut off ever more from the cosmos, being made into an isle in the cosmos. In ancient times, spiritual beings could still work in to the Mystery sites on Earth from other planets. When airship travel will expand much in the future, even Martians [in DE "Marsbewohner"] will not be able to stand the Earth atmosphere any more.

note, also from 1913-12-08-GA265A Notes B (at the end)

Aircraft are the disruptors of the harmony of the universe

Note:

See Schema FMC00.003 on Earth#Illustrations and consider/contemplate the warmth girdle above the air girdle or Earth atmosphere. Maybe in a context of UFOs as seen mostly from and by aircrafts (initially).

Schema FMC00.313

on Three classes of Buddhas

Powell - The solar system (1930)

Below are just a few sentences quoted from Ch. 34 'coming of the Lords of Venus', as described by Helena Blavatsky

See also Schema FMC00.457 and Schema FMC00.457A on Lemurian epoch

We come now to describe the most dramatic moment in the history of the Earth - the Coming of the Lords of the Flame; an event for which long preparations had been made.
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A great astrological event, when a very special collocation of planets occurred and the magnetic condition of the Earth was the most favourable possible, was chosen as the time ...
Then, ”with the mighty roar of swift descent from incalculable heights; surrounded by blazing masses of fire which filled the sky with shooting tongues of flame, flashed through the aerial spaces the chariot of the Sons of the Fire, the Lords of the Flame from Venus; it halted, hovering over the White Island, which lay in the Gobi Sea; green was it, and radiant with masses of fragrant blossoms, Earth offering her best and fairest to welcome her coming king” - the great Being known as the King of the World, the Sanat Kumâra, with his three assistants, and the remainder of his band of helpers.
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The Lords of the Flame arrived on the Earth about the middle of the third Root-Race, after the separation of the sexes. Diagram XL illustrates the Coming in its relation to other events.
[ see Schema FMC00.457 on Lemurian epoch]
It is part of the plan of the Logos that at a certain stage in its evolution humanity must begin to guide itself, instead of being dependent upon entities from other evolutions. Therefore all future Buddhas, Manus and Adepts will be members of our own humanity, the Lords from Venus having gone on to other worlds.

Daskalos - HTS, Ch. 7

from Chapter 7: 'Visitors'

Quote A gives a general introductory statement on other beings, quote B gives a description with further details, and quote C describes a concrete encounter Daskalos had in 1969.

quote A - general

The universe within which we live, is full of life forms and more intelligent than the ones with which we are familiar. We are not alone in the universe. Higher intelligences are overseeing the evolution of our planet. They are like guardians of our planet and some of us are in communication with them.
In earlier encounters I had with Daskalos, he described to me at some length how he encountered such beings, that according to him were theosized beings unencumbered by time and space who were masters of matter and were able to materialize and dematerialize themselves.
I confessed to Daskalos that I found such stories of 'extraterrestrials' too unbelievable for my humble brain and that .. I had difficulties reconciling the superb logical consistency and wisdom in his overall scheme of things and such 'wild' arguments about intelligent beings
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Therefore, we should not expect to discover life in other planets the way we understand it and the way it is expressed on our Earth. Life is everywhere and not only in environments known to us. .. even the sun itself is full of life, and organized life at that. Don't you think it is rather egotistical to expect life to express itself always in the manner with which it is expressed on our planet? Just keep in mind that orthodox science has yet to explain or cope with such simple phenomena as fire-walking, telepathy or even clairvoyance. They are beginning to acknowledge them as phenomena but they can't explain them. And they still cannot understand how so-called UFOs travel with such high velocity and appear and disappear instantly. If orthodox science cannot do that, how can we assume that, because the conditions as we know them on Earth do not exist on Mars, therefore there is no life there?
Ultimately, in our own evolution, we will also become liberated from the necessity of gross matter and of the natural environment on Earth as we know it. Gross matter will no longer be an obstacle to us. We wouldn't, for example, need oxygen so that we could breathe. We would be able to travel instantly into the very depths of the Earth and inside the sun, if you will, without being affected by the element of fire. By then we would have become masters over the elements. Therefore, when we travel to the other planets of our solar system and we search for life as we know it, we will never find it. Those intelligences are more advanced, they are masters of matter. They dress themselves with gross matter at will. They have a shape similar to ours, they are human beings who have passed through the Idea of Man and, yes, they do have organized societies.
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[these entities] are assisting those of us who are at lower levels of evolution. Pay attention, not every being within our solar system is on the same level of evolution. Those who are at higher levels help those below to evolve. And when every entity attains the stage of Theosis then our solar system will have no purpose to exist. It will, sooner or later, disintegrate. Note that not all planets of our solar system are at the same level of evolution. For example, the entities on Mars may be of the highest stage of development. They may be residing within the spirit world counterpart of that planet. Consequently, they could travel anywhere within our solar system and even beyond it into other solar systems and galaxies.

Those extraterrestrials who visit us may be, therefore, from other solar systems and they visit us in order to challenge us and help us evolve. They appear like flying saucers as a way of expressing themselves to us in a material form that we can understand. When they enter our system they gather matter from our planet and appear with the known human form characteristic of our planet.

quote B

At my probing Daskalos revealed that he communicated telepathically with beings that reside on Mars. Although, he said, it was possible for him to visit them he had neither the desire nor the reason to do so.
You can go there by travelling with incredible speed, using only the mental body. It takes about an hour to arrive there, but you can return in fifteen minutes. Your body draws you back much more quickly. Only a master who has gone beyond the spirit world and entered into the world of meanings and ideas can visit other planets. As for myself, it is here on this Earth that I have been assigned to teach, and here will I come to teach again.
.. Daskalos added that although he had never visited Mars, he coordinated himself with beings on that planet and learned a great deal about them.
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Do they have a gross material body?
Sometimes they do, but it is different from ours. The human beings that live on Mars are much superior to ourselves. They are masters of matter. They can materialize and dematerialize themselves at will. Their material body looks like two triangles, of the head and of the chest. The waist is very small and the hands and legs resemble ours. Their heart differs from ours and their blood is very thick and has the color of honey. Their body is not complex and even though they have a circulatory system, they have few arteries and veins. Our blood takes thirteen minutes to circulate. In the body of a Martian it takes an entire day. The deterioration of their body does not proceed at the same tempo as ours.
The body of a Martian is more like a house to him. As an entity he gets in and out with as much ease as we enter and leave our homes. His body makes very few movements and he uses it as if it were his workshop. Martians are not bound to a place nor are they enchanted by it the way we are.
When a Martian comes to Earth he leaves his body behind. His blood continues to circulate but the tenant is absent. When he arrives at the ionosphere of the Earth he creates, by thought, whatever he desires. The objects created often appear to us as flying saucers.
If he decides to materialize on Earth, he assumes the shape of a human being, sometimes wearing clothes that seem to be an extension of his body. What creates this impression is the concentrated etheric energy. He may also appear dressed like us, wearing a suit for example. He can shape matter at will. He can absorb ideas and meanings by coordinating himself with the thought of humans on Earth and, through the power of visual imagery, he can materialize and look like them. He may then sit in a coffee shop, have a drink and speak the local language. Since he can coordinate himself with human thought, he can know whatever humans know.
If that is the case, then they must know what is happening on Earth.
They certainly do. Why do you think they visit us?
Do they have any influence over our planet?
They must so that we may not destroy it again. They have always visited our planet through the centuries and humans have seen them as angels or gods. I would say they are eternal beings like ourselves but on a higher stage of evolution. They have transcended the idea of Evil.
How is it that we have not discovered them as yet?
Who told you they are not in contact with a lot of us?
...

Do you think it is easy to discuss these matters publicly? But I am telling you .. I have come into contact with such beings .. I am now in contact with them ... I know a lot of things about them and there is nothing I know that they do not know through coordination. Who is going to believe me? Who is going to accept what I say?

quote C

Daskalos then narrated an experience he had had with such beings ... this took place in 1969.
I felt them coming. I was out of my body and I came near their spaceship which was roving over my house. The beings inside sent me a message urging me to return to my body because the spaceship could burn my etheric. When I returned I heard a neighbor, an old woman, screaming that the Turks were coming. She saw the spaceship, which looked like an expanding and contracting ball of light, and assumed that the Turks were attacking. I tried to calm her down and explained to her, in vain, that it was not the Turks but a UFO with beings from outer space. I went inside and then the UFO disappeared.
They returned late that night. Two of them materialized in my house. They looked like men. They explained to me that they could take on the characteristics of the beings of the planet. They wore silvery suits and it was hard to distinguish their outfits from their skin. When I touched them I felt as if I had touched a snake. We communicated by thought. They entered into my aura and at that moment they knew everything I knew.
My late wife, who was present, offered them some baklava which she had just baked. They spat it out the moment they put it in their mouths. It was too bitter for them. There was too much earth in what we gave them, they said. They then demonstrated for us how they nourished themselves. We turned the lights off and they drew cosmic light that brightened the entire room. They were absorbing it into their bodies.
Before leaving they told us that it was their wish not to make their existence known to the public as yet.
Do these extraterrestrial beings have families like us?
I believe so.
I asked whether they bore children like humans, and whether they reproduced themselves through sexual contact.
This I do not know. They may reproduce themselves differently. They act through thought and attract one another through love. That is how they are born. In our case the reproductive process is the domain of the Holy Spirit without our conscious participation. These Martian entities, on the other hand, are masters of their bodies. They know and control whatever is happening to it.
Do they die?
No. They dissolve their bodies and create new ones.' They are eternal gods. Of course we are gods, too. But they have reached the stage of Theosis. They are Logoi who live an archangelic existence of their own. They can, for example, descend to the center of the Earth and acquire the appearance of the angels of fire. They can also penetrate another element and assume the image of the idea of that element.

... It appears .. that only a few have or use a gross material body.'

Daskalos - MoS, Ch. 10

from Chapter 10: 'The Guardians of Planet Earth'

quote A

is an extract from the context of the descent of Skylab to Earth in July 1979

When Daskalos came out of his trance once more, he continued .. to narrate his experiences with the extraterrestrials.
I just saw three flying saucers. The entities inside communicated with me ... they invited me to move onto their side and observe their work. These entities are really advanced. They live in the higher spirit world and have no form. They asked me to abandon the image of myself and join them . ...
Now I must leave behind the image of myself and ascend formless with only my self-awareness.
...
"We are the guardians of garden Earth," they said. "Your Earth is like a nursery school of noisy infants."...
They seemed as if they were working in groups which gave me the impression of flying saucers. I asked them whether they in fact were flying saucers but they seemed to ignore my question. Their response instead was that they are 'space people' .. they live around our planet.
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I communicated with these beings by coordinating myself with them. I was inside them and they were inside me. I expressed a wish to meet them again and invited them to come down to Earth. They refused. They preferred, they said, to watch us from afar. "You know the way, come and meet us here," they replied. Perhaps it is not pleasant for them to visit the Earth. When I was about to return to my body they advised me, "Come pass through us so that you may go down rested." I felt very relaxed after that. They truly love us.
Daskalos expressed his amazement and ruminated upon the nature of these superintelligences.
I felt as if they were a form of light with vibrating intensity. They are innumerable.
There was a pause as Daskalos pondered over his experience. ..

I was receiving their thoughts and I could understand them. I had the impression that whatever I knew they knew.

quote B - another encounter

I asked Daskalos whether he had any prior contacts with extraterrestrial beings other than those he encountered while working on Skylab.
`Yes,' he said, and began to narrate another encounter he had had with such a being some time in the past.
I felt him somewhere near Petra Tou Romiou [a spot on the southern shore where, according to Homeric legend, Aphrodite was born. According to Daskalos it is one of the energy or magnetic centers of the planet]. I was in exomatosis with lacovos and Theophanis. After I escorted them back to their bodies I returned to the same place in search of him.
"But I have seen you," I muttered, "where are you?"
"I am inside you," he whispered. "I am inside you so that we can have a common center for communication. How would you like me to give you some experiences? Spread out," he commanded me.
"I can do this," I responded.
"I know that you can do it, but now it is going to be through a different method."
"What do you mean?"

"Just wait and you will see." For a moment I felt everything was inside me and that I spread over a large area. "Become the pulsation of Life. Forget who you are."

quote C - some higher beings have names

Daskale, I asked, have you met any of these superintelligences here on Earth, among other human beings?
You mean while walking in the street?
Yes. Several. They move and look like ordinary people. I can spot them through their aura and communicate with them through thought. One day I was walking on Ermou Street right in the heart of the bazaar. It was the first time I encountered such a being.
Did he have a name?
It is possible that when such a superintelligence comes down he acquires a name. The one I met is a great master. The Logos blinded him temporarily when he appeared in front of him like fire. Now do you understand who I am talking about?
Iacovos nodded affirmatively but it required further probing on my part to realize to whom he was referring. `Was he a Cypriot?' I asked rather naively.

No, Daskalos replied lowering his voice. He was Saint Paul who in his present incarnation lives as Father Hilarion down in the Sudan. Some friends of mine met him there. He materializes and dematerializes like a great master.

Note: here the superintelligences Daskalos describe link to the level of archangel or archai as described on Three classes of Buddhas

1989-10 - Daskalos

excerpt from Chapter 9: 'Guardians of Garden Earth' in 'You are the whale' by Daniel Joseph (2020)

Daskalos reports that there are over 40 different ETI groups coming to Earth and says he is in contact with most of them. He confirmed that he, "never met any [aliens] with evil dispositions", he further said that "they are coming from planets where there is no sense of evil".
ETIs Extra Terrestrial intelligences have come in the past, are coming now and will continue to come to the Earth in the future. In the distant past, humans identified these visitors as Angels or Gods. Yet, they are Eternal Spirit Beings like us but incredibly more evolved as they have reached true Self-Realization and work in the worlds of existence for a higher purpose.
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"Christians should consider alien life as an "extraterrestrial brother" and a part of God's creation.
...
Late in October 1989 during a stoa lesson Daskalos he abruptly shifted to talking about Extra Terrestrials (ETI) and said,
"Well I tell you, when they [ETIs] come, whether they materialize themselves or they don't, when they are near me, anything I know they know. No need to speak with any language. They are so advanced. How do I understand them? They try to imprint in myself what they know. I tell you even the most wise [human] on the planet is a child to their eyes. They love me and I love them, they're like real friends"
The ETIs are Masters of Materialization & Dematerialization. In the 3rd dimension their ships can be seen with material eyes and tracked on Radar. And they can make their ships disappear in an instant. Some ETIs Use ships for their observations and purposes.
Other ETIs are here around the planet in the higher noetical plane using their higher noetical body which looks like a star of light and do not need or use material ships. They are focused on serious world problems such as our addiction to war and nuclear weapons. They have stated to Daskalos and others that they will not allow us to destroy our planet in a global exchange of atomic bombs.
Daskalos also reports that the crack in the Ozone layer was not caused by CFCs as believed. The crack had been caused by atomic explosions tested above ground. And that the ETIs work to rejoin it from South Pole to Northern Canada.
As mentioned, some ETIs do not need material bodily forms. Some call these ETIs Light Beings because their bodies are not composed of substance but of light. Yet they can form and materialize any kind of body by their thought — animal or human.
Daskalos called these Beings, the space people saying,
"They are like an Archangel .. they are affectionate, very loving, very wise .. many of the good highly evolved people from Atlantis are now these space people."
...
The Space People are helping us and trying to protect us from ourselves. Daskalos met with them many times. They told him:
"We are Guardians of Garden Earth. Your planet is like a nursery school of noisy infants."
Daskalos quipped back "It is also a garden of parasites and viruses."
"No", they asserted, it is an expression of life."
Now of course Daskalos and these 'space people' were not speaking audible words. Communication with them is through attunement, meaning their consciousness was in Daskalos and Daskalos consciousness was in them. Through attunement with them he could receive their ideas and understand each other.
On multiple occasions Daskalos invited ETIs to come visit him in his home. Some did, but these ones he called the space people said,
"No, we prefer to watch humans from afar; You know the way, come and meet us here".
When telling this Daskalos warmly spoke,
"These super intelligences truly love us. They are so advanced .. that meeting with you, in an instant they know everything about you. Everything - from all your incarnations, just by looking. By casting the light of their consciousness on you they know everything about you. Humans can too but it takes much time - centuries of training to reach that level."
ETIs do select people to work with who can receive their thoughts & understand to some degree. And of course, they don't select people who cannot understand and who they cannot convey to them their thoughts and their life. But is that any different than when we communicate with people around us? What else do we offer when talking to people other than presenting our ideas as thoughts, but only to the extent they can understand them and not more?
Daskalos enthusiastically continued,
".. these space people are masters of matter, they are gods, not the God, but gods, nonetheless. Being in the company of normal people, they are feeling great pity, seeing humans talking and talking and talking and saying nothing. What people do is one person is trying to convince the other that he is better than him and he knows more. Because the one wants to impose his ideas on the other, and the other, of course, back to him, they will be separated and displeased, because they cannot understand each other. Even those who are advanced, and have more understanding, in talking with other people can only offer their ideas to the others. True!
"What more? What else do the space people give .. when you come in touch with them?
In passing these things to you, they also give you love. And you feel that love as not only satisfaction, but also as a great bliss."
...
Daskalos invited these ETIs to his home, and they came, but not in the body form used on their planet, they came in typical 'Earthling' bodies they had materialized.
Their normal bodies are not as tall as Earthlings and not as good looking, at least to our eyes. Their material bodies are not composed of separate organs as Daskalos reported. And their thick honey like blood takes one to three days to completely circulate. Whereas our blood circulates through our body every thirteen minutes. Their bodies do not deteriorate as fast as ours and they live an astonishing 300 to 400 years. And when their material body dies it is not a big deal to them. They just materialize a new body and enter it.
There are ETIs around the planet observing us. There are ETIs that are here living on the planet among us in bodies that look and behave like we do. We must try to understand that ETIs are at the highest level of consciousness, super conscious self awareness. Which means they can materialize multiple bodies like the masters who have reached this level of consciousness can do. And just like these masters, they can either enter that body or just receive impressions from it. If they do not enter the body then it behaves like a robot, like elementals do.
Communication with them is done by coordination and attunement. There is no need to speak in any language. Communication is through thought transference. This means they can know what you know in an instant .. what would take months and months of talk to reveal.

Daskalos - additional materials

in this short movie, Daskalos makes the point (once again) that what contemporary culture and mineral science considers extra terrestrial life, should not be regarded from the dimension of the mineral physical plane (just and only because this is the experience of how most human beings on Earth function today), but that these are entities visiting through mental and astral travel. For context, see Schema FMC00.479A and Out of Body Experiences (OBE).

Sri M - TJC - Ch. 10

from Chapter 10: 'Travelling Free: My Out of Body experiences'

Regular text below is Sri M writing, italics are the words of Sri M's master, called Sri Maheshwarnath Babaji (or in short 'Babaji').

.. Babaji said: This .. first successful out-of-body trip was entirely due to your effort. .. But coming here and seeing me would not have been possible if I did not want it to happen. As a matter of fact, I willed you to come here for an important purpose and therefore opened the barrier I normally use to shield myself from astral travellers.
.. This Lama is the caretaker for a series of caves not far from here, where relics, left by extra-terrestrial visitors who came to earth many thousands of years ago, are preserved. They came from a planet in a constellation many light years away.
They were deputed by still further advanced extra-terrestrial beings to teach earthlings certain yogic and scientific secrets including the primary principles of language. They landed on the summit of the Kailash peak and then moved towards the caves where you will presently go. The Bonpos of pre-Buddhist Tibet have a belief that their founder descended from heaven on to Mount Kailash. This mythology of theirs is based on the arrival of these advanced extraterrestrials.
[editor: one could also link this to the Sons of the Sun in the Hyperborean epoch or the Lords of Venus (and Mercury) in the Lemurian epoch, see also Three classes of Buddhas. This does not fit the description given here of 'a constellation many light years away', but the use of 'light years' is a very contemporary statement that does not even fit the spiritual scientific worldview. Hence it depends if a picture was painted with this description for a more symbolic meaning, or whether it is to be taken more literally and exact. ]
Seven of them, the Sapta Rishis, landed here. After teaching a selected few the knowledge that had to be imparted, the Sapta Rishis prepared to return but their space craft developed a snag. They had to stay for a while, until help came from their realm.
Two of the advanced extra-terrestrials died, because they could not adjust to the new environment. Eventually, the mechanics who arrived set the aerial vehicle right and they departed leaving behind their dead. The dead Sapta Rishis were now perfectly mummified to be viewed by special individuals from future generations. You will see all that when I take you there. I have taken permission from the venerable Lama. ...
Babaji then lay down on his folded blanket and in no time his subtle body was beside me. His physical body was left under the Lama’s care. We travelled together passing through ruins of a city and reached a series of caves hidden well by cliffs and ruins. We entered a tunnel that looked like bomb shelters built by the Japanese in the Andaman Islands during World War II. Soon we reached a large circular cave with small passages leading to smaller caves. It was lit by a beautiful cool violet light that came from a cavity on the roof. A number of strange devices were placed in glass containers all along the walls of the cave.
The violet light, is powered by nuclear energy and left here by the visitors from outer space. The technology used is yet undiscovered by our scientists. It is supposed to be lit for another one hundred years, after which the intensity may reduce.

Babaji pointed out to the various microscope and telescope like devices in the glass cases and explained about them. They were all precision instruments brought by the extra-terrestrials for various purposes.

In a small vacuum container were little white cubes. These are nuggets made of a special material that are packed with super-nutritional substances. The great beings brought them along. A small bit of it diluted in a glass of water, is enough to sustain their bodies for a hundred years or more. Unfortunately, the cells of human bodies are not capable of absorbing such high doses of nutrition and will in fact begin to multiply, if ingested, faster than the fastest cancerous cells known to humankind and lead to disaster.

In a fairly big container were flat discs made of a white shiny material. Something like Egyptian hieroglyphs were engraved on them. Babaji explained that these were codes which, when decoded with the help of special devices not yet perfected by mankind, will reveal information about outer space realms and civilizations and the story of many previous visits by extra-terrestrials. They would also describe those rare instances, when specially developed humans were taken to these far space realms and brought back after awakening special centres in their brains, which distinguished them from ordinary human beings in many ways.

In another circular container, were two large flat discs, which Babaji indicated were the two super magnets from the aerial vehicle of the extra-terrestrials. It was because these discs had malfunctioned that they had to remain for a long time on Earth waiting for replacements from their home planet. Babaji said that the magnets were so powerful, even now, that they were kept in a special insulated container.

Finally, he took me into one of the passages that led to an enclosure. Inside were two glass coffins that contained perfectly mummified bodies of the two beings that had expired due to being unable to withstand the changed environment on earth. They were almost ten feet in height, were fair in complexion, almost milk white and had beautiful features. One could not say if they were male or female. Their faces and bodies were absolutely hairless and wrinkle free. They had thick, brown shoulder length hair and wore ornaments that seemed to be made of gold and diamonds. Babaji said: These great beings were androgynous. The Ardhanareeswara concept, where Shiva is depicted as half-male and half-female, comes from this. They possessed the reproductive organs of both sexes in one body.

“Whatever can be revealed to you at this point has been done,” said Babaji. “No more now. It is time to go. ...

Sri M - AHM

quote A from Ch. 29

[the event]
On the third night at Arundhati cave, I was woken up by what I at first thought was the rumbling of thunder. I opened my eyes and saw Babaji in his usual sitting posture, back towards me, silhouetted by the light of the Dhuni. I looked beyond, and from between two parting clouds, emerged something that was roughly the size of a full moon, but could not be the moon. Instead of the cool, silvery, white light shed by the moon, this object was a glowing ball of fire, and as it moved closer the rumbling became louder. Then it came towards the cave and landed right on the Dhuni, with the sound of a thunderclap.
I was so scared that I could not even sit up, but Babaji sat upright like a statue, unaffected and unmoved. I wanted to call out to him, but my vocal chords refused to function. Somehow, I pulled myself up to a sitting position. My whole body trembled with fear.
A strange spectacle unfolded before my astounded eyes. The rumbling had stopped and there was utter silence. The fireball, which was about two feet in diameter, split vertically into two, and out of it emerged something that caused goose pimples all over my body. It was a large snake, with a hood like a cobra, glowing electric blue, as if made of a transparent, violet, glass like material, with electric filaments lit inside. The snake-like creature’s eyes glowed, and it hissed softly.
My fear vanished the moment I saw the creature bend down and touch Babaji’s feet with its hood. Babaji blessed it by touching its head with his right hand, and then did something, which for a second, made me wonder if what I was seeing was a silly dream, or reality. He hissed in reply.
The blue cobra straightened up and sat facing Babaji. A hissing conversation went on for quite some time. Then Babaji said, “Madhu, come forward and see the deputy chief of the Sarpa Loka.” I moved forward and carefully sat behind Babaji. The snake hissed. Babaji said, “Bow down to Nagaraj.” I bowed low before the snake. At close quarters, I could see that he was quite big and had intelligent sparkling eyes. The snake hissed and touched my head with his forked tongue. I found that I was not the least bit frightened, although I could feel a mild electric shock passing through my body.
Then abruptly, it slithered back into the globe, the two halves of which clicked shut, and with a rumbling sound, the globe took off and soon vanished in the clouds.

[explanation]
I could not but ask Babaji to explain. “Babaji,” I said, “I deserve an explanation. If I said this to anybody, they would think I am utterly crazy, or that I am concocting some kind of fiction, so I shall keep this to myself. But please, explain to me.”
Babaji said:
Yes, you are right. Not many will believe this experience of yours but you will have to share it with the public, when you write your autobiography. It does not matter who believes or does not, but I will explain to you. Truth is often stranger than fiction.
In the Milky Way, there exists a stellar system with seven planets and eighteen moons. One of these planets is called Sarpa Loka, and is entirely inhabited by highly evolved, hooded snakes. The serpents are called the Naga devatas. The person you saw is the deputy chief of this realm and he is called Nagaraja. The supreme head of the Nagas is the five-hooded golden serpent, known in ancient Indian texts, as Anantha.
Thousands of years ago, when humanity was still in infant stages of mental evolution, there was regular contact with Sarpa Loka. The wise and evolved Nagas frequented the earth, and spent long periods here, teaching and educating human beings.
The snake worship you come across in all ancient civilizations is a tribute to the advanced Nagas of yore. Their images were venerated for the deep wisdom that they possessed. They also taught the secret of the kundalini energy initially, again symbolized by a serpent. Patanjali who gave the world the Ashtanga Yoga Sutras, was himself a Naga, and is depicted as half man and half snake. The snake on the pharaoh’s head and the snake coiled around the yogi-god Shiva, are all symbolic representations of wisdom and power, imparted to certain human beings by the Naga teachers.
But then, as always seems to happen, human beings, as they became more powerful, began to also become more self-centred and cunning. Humans, or at least a majority of them, were ready to even kill for personal gain. Some felt threatened by the intellectually and spiritually superior Nagas, and forgetting their indebtedness, began to use the powers that they had acquired from the Nagas against them.
At one point, there were large scale massacres of the Nagas. The Supreme Naga Chief decided to recall the Nagas from Earth, and cut all connections, except with some human beings who were highly evolved spiritually. Overnight, they were transported back to Sarpa Loka. A small number of Nagas, who were either sick or too old, or in rare cases, rebels who defied the orders of the Supreme Chief thinking that they still could do something with the human beings, got left behind.
The serpents and snakes that exist in the world today are the descendents of those who were leftbehind, and who, through years of in-breeding, have become retarded, and no longer possess the great qualities of their ancestors. However, as I told you, the channels of contact were kept open with highly evolved beings of the human race.
[Sai Nath of Shirdi]
When the great Sai Nath of Shirdi left his body for three days, and returned on the fourth day, to the great astonishment of the general public who had thought that he had died, he told his close circle of associates that he had gone to settle a dispute in some other world.
The other world he spoke of, was the Sarpa Loka. The dispute, which I cannot reveal to you, was not completely settled, and has come up again. Nagaraj here went to Sri Guru for help, and on his suggestion, came to me to discuss the matter.
“Babaji,” I said, “all this sounds so bizarre, that if I ever wrote a biography – which I might do, at some point, since you say so, the readers would either dismiss it as the ravings of an unbalanced mind, or as pure fiction. I don’t care. So let it be.”
Babaji laughed, and said .. I repeat again, truth is stranger than fiction, and even if the story stimulates their imagination, there is hope that they might at some point realize that there are greater realms of consciousness which cannot be comprehended by dry logic, and currently available levels of intelligence.

However, by the time you attempt your biography, even the scientific world would have expanded its knowledge of outer space and other planets. The suspicion that life exists, or existed on other planets or stellar systems, will be strengthened by the discovery of water, and other conditions suitable for the evolution and sustenance of life forms in hitherto unsuspected parts of the cosmos. Perhaps, some unprejudiced scientist might consider it worthwhile to at least give your story the attention it deserves. Beyond that, considering the stupid attitude of dismissing anything that does not fall under the category of ‘established norms’ as unscientific, have no hope.

same story, now in interview - below transcript of excerpt A (also see excerpt B)

I was sleeping in the cave and Babaji was sitting in front of the duni meditating, he was sitting steady with his eyes open .. I could see him in that state .. now I was lying down behind the cave, at the end of the cave with my eyes closed .. I was fast asleep when somewhere in the middle of the night I heard a sound which was like a thunder clap .. as if there is going to be rain heavy thunder clap very very loud, like an explosion .. so I look up and I see something like the moon on the other side of the skyline and that it is lit from inside .. just like the moon .. and it is moving forward and as it moves forward it is growing bigger and bigger so I wake up fully .. now I'm completely alert, wondering what is this thing that is coming .. and the whole thing comes it becomes so big almost this big and lands right on the duni with another thunder clap so loud that I almost I'm shaken out of my consciousness actually
and I'm looking at Babaji and wondering what is happening out of fear .. and then very slowly there's a beautiful perfume like thing rafting from there very slowly this round Globe thing opens .. it opens like as if it is two doors which are opening and inside that .. I see a very strange sight .. inside there sits a big Cobra - a structure like a cobra - it is huge and it has a hood .. it is much bigger than any snakes that we see and it is like as if it is made of glass and it is colored electric blue like the sparks that you see when you strike two wires to together .. complete electric blue and transparent and it's saying something which I cannot follow .. it's like hissing sound
and Baba is sitting there looking at it and it seems to me as if there is a conversation going on between this object and Babaji and I'm lying there, shivering with fright, not knowing what to do .. either this is a dream but it cannot be a dream .. I feel I'm awake .. or it is something which is in my brain so I am either going mad .. or this is real? if it is real what is it that I'm seeing before me? something that looks like a cobra which is made of blue deep violet blue glass and it is shining and it is making some kind of a noise which is like a hiss almost and Babaji seems to be communicating with it because he's nodding his head and he's showing his hands and then suddenly he turns to me at the cave and says
so shivering with great fear I go towards the D where this is then he says "bend down and do namaskars" so I go and do namaskar to something .. whatever it is .. I don't know what it is .. and the that snake like thing with its hood bends down and touches my head .. and as it touches my head I feel a certain thrill going through my system .. and for a moment I understand that this is not a thing from the Earth but something come from a realm about which we have no idea
and then the thing closes there's another thunder clap and it's gone gone .. meaning it goes up becomes smaller and disappears
now this looks like a science fiction story but this is my experience of what I had in the arundhati
in the morning I asked Babaji "what is this that I saw? who is this? "
he says "this comes from a realm which is called nagaloka and this is the person who is the head of that world which is called nagaloka
and I said "we have only read of nagaloka in puranas or in some other textbooks but do you really exist? "
he said: "did you see what you saw or you didn't"?
I said: "I saw"
"if you see it and if you experience it, you better believe it" he said and then later on many days later we had various discussions on different realms and what I remember very clearly he said: "it is the height of arrogance that the human being thinks that this little speck of dust which we call the the Earth is the only place where living beings are"

quote B from Ch. 45

from Chapter 45: 'Babaji Leaves His Body'

for more on the being mentioned as Sri Guru, see White Lodge#Note 2 - Sri Guru Babaji

The full moon shone brightly from a clear sky. A cool breeze was blowing. “We will wait for Sri Guru,” said Babaji.
Soon a globe of light like the one I saw at Arundhati cave appeared on the horizon. As it came close to the full moon, it looked as if there were two moons. As it hurtled towards us it became bigger. This time the landing was smooth. No thunderclap, no noise whatsoever, as it descended in front of us.
The glowing globe opened, and out stepped Sri Guru, followed by an exquisitely handsome naked man with a shining blue complexion. ..
Sri Guru said to me: You have met Nagaraj before, only this time he is in a different form. The beings of Sarpa Loka can change their forms at will ..

Discussion

Note 1 - The 'coming of the Lords of Venus'

Positioning: to understand where these 'Lords of Venus' fit into the complex picture of the development of mankind, and the crucial role they played for humanity, see:

Schema FMC00.472A on Development of the I and
Schema FMC00.457 on Lemurian epoch

Background

Helena Blavatsky, in the Secret Doctrine, describes that in a distant past, before large catastrophes occured, the area now known as the Gobi Desert was covered by water, spanning areas of China and Mongolia.

The island, where the Gobi Desert is now, was inhabited by the last remnant of the race that preceded ours. A handful of Adepts – the 'Sons of God', now called the Brahman Pitri, are called another synonym in the Chaldean Kabbalah. Tradition says, and the records of the Great Book explain that long before the days of Adam and his inquisitive wife Hewa, where we now find salt lakes and barren desert wastelands, there was a vast inland area, the sea that stretched over Central Asia, north of the proud Himalayan range and its western extensions. The sea existed until the last great ice age, when a local cataclysm, which swept the waters to the south and west, formed a real huge deserted desert and left only a certain oasis.

It also states that remnants of ancient traditions are buried under the sand

… in no other place .. there are as many traditions as around the Gobi Desert. This howling desert of quicksand was once .. the seat of one of the richest empires in the world. It is said that such wealth lurks beneath the surface, in gold, jewelry, sculptures, weapons, utensils and anything that indicates civilization, luxury and fine arts, which no existing capitals of Christendom today can show.

In this context now is to be placed the often-quoted paragraph (see Powell above):

.. with the mighty roar of swift descent from incalculable heights; surrounded by blazing masses of fire which filled the sky with shooting tongues of flame, flashed through the aerial spaces the chariot of the Sons of the Fire, the Lords of the Flame from Venus; it halted, hovering over the White Island, which lay in the Gobi Sea; green was it, and radiant with masses of fragrant blossoms, Earth offering her best and fairest to welcome her coming king” -the great Being known as the King of the World, the Sanat Kumâra, with his three assistants, and the remainder of His band of helpers.

Some sources mention other ancient Indian texts (not checked or qualified) about "the actual landing of a mysterious and intelligent being called Sunatkumâra" (meaning the 'everlasting youth') and "people with a large white star settled on an island in the Gobi Sea in 18 617 841 BC”.

Discussion note

The descriptions given by Blavatsky in the Secret Doctrine, and the references made in and to the Book of Dzyan, correlate quite well to what Sri M's guru Sri Maheshwarnath Babaji explains about androgynous super-human beings coming to Earth (see quote above Sri M - TJC - Ch. 10).

Even though Blavatsky mentions 'the White Island in the Gobi Sea' and Sri Maheshwarnath Babaji mentions 'Mount Kailash'. Note that spiritual scientific teachings (theosophical and anthroposophical) mention higher beings coming to Earth in the early periods of the Polarian epoch, the Hyperborean epoch, and the Lemurian epoch. So the nature of the event(s) described here is not necessarily about one and the same singular event.

One could also see a correlation between the records described in this quote, and what Rudolf Steiner mentions eg in 1903-12-22-GA090A in the context of the Book of Dzyan and ancient records of the Lemurian epoch.

Mount Kailash

Mount Kailash is a 6638m high mountain in Tibet, said to be the most sacred mountain on Earth, with many connections to ancient mythology and religions. Kailasa means crystal in sanskrit, and hindu mythology states Kailasa as the abode of Lord Shiva.

The mountain looks like a pyramid from one side and like a cone from another, with the four sides facing the four directions; furthermore four rivers originate (Indus, Brahmaputra, Surlej and Karnali). Some sources call Mount Kailash the center of the world or the Axis Mundi.

Historical findings in the areas of the Himalaya and Gobi Desert

In popular media, the term OoP-art is used for 'out of place artifact', prehistoric objects found in various places around the world that seem to show a level of technological advancement incongruous with the times in which they were made. Ooparts often frustrate conventional scientists, delight adventurous investigators open to alternative theories, and spark debate.

Below is an example of such a finding which may or may not be related to the ancient civilizations in the area of the Himalaya and Gobi Desert.

Baigong pipes

In 1996, a remarkable discovery was made in Qinghai Province in China, on the slopes of Mount Baigong, about 40 kilometers southwest of the city Delingha. The discovery consisted of a series of metal tubes embedded in the rock.

Author Bai Yu discovered - in a pyramid-shaped outcropping on the mountain - a triangular cave, about six meters deep, that appeared to have been artificially dug, and two similar caves nearby that had collapsed and could not be entered. The three caves lead to a saltwater lake. Under the lake bed and on the shore are iron pipes ranging in size with some being as small as a toothpick, others upto 40 cm diameter

The array of manufactured metal pipes protrudes up through the floor of the cave and is embedded within its walls, one 40 cm wide. Following their path outside, Bai discovered more pipes protruding from the surface of the conical hill, and even more of them 80 meters away from the cave along the shore of the lake.

A sample of the pipe was analyzed (by the Ministry of Metallurgical Industry), constitution was 92% of common minerals and metals (a combination of ferric oxide, silicon dioxide, and calcium oxide which are byproducts of a long interaction between iron and the surrounding sandstone), and 8% of unknown composition. Further thermoluminescence dating of samples in 2001 (by the Beijing Institute of Geology) estimated the pipes to be some 140-150.000 years old.

Some articles on the Baigong pipes: wikipedia page and Brittanica page; as well as two articles of June 2002: article 1 and article 2, and further unqualified popular sources: article 3 and article 4

Note 2 - UFOs

Introduction

Positioning

The terms 'Unidentified Flying Object' (UFO) and Unidentified Aerial (or anomalous) Phenomenon (UAP) are used to denote aerial phenomena that cannot be explained by and waking consciousness and contemporary physical mineral science. In popular media also the term 'flying saucer' was used.

This is a typical case where contemporary science cannot explain, and hence the dominant worldview with all its representative powers use all possible means to play down the reported facts, and this includes to minimize, ridicule or come up with ridiculous bogus explanations (balloons are very popular, but in the past it went as far as swamp gas).

As such this is a case of a conflict as explained on worldview wars, just as is homeopathy, Near Death Experiences, Out of Body Experiences, synchronicity, and so many other phenomena that require the spiritual scientific worldview or paradigm for an explanation. Because many phenomena materialize in the physical world but actually happen in the higher astral or spirit worlds where other laws apply.

Overview of last century

UFOs became known worldwide (during and) after World War II, with a large surge in sightings in the US in the period June-July 1947 and the famous 1947 Roswell UFO incident in 'Area 51' (New Mexico). It was later found that already during WWII there were sightings by both UK's RAF and Germany's Luftwaffe pilots and airplane crews, and also that this may already have been the case before, eg WWI.

While 'it is said' that a majority of reports (say 70-80%) could or might be explained by known causes and phenomena, a category of unexplained reports remains. Over the decades, thousands of such unexplained cases have been registered, and sightings include those by pilots, passenger airplanes, military radar and jet pilots. Sometimes the sighting has dozens up to hundreds of witness reports.

Triggered by the large number of reports across the world since the 1940-50s, various nations (a.o. US, UK, France, ..) started governmental and military investigation programs. In the US the most famous program was Project Blue Book between 1947 and 1969 with oa Allen Hynek (1910-1986). In France there was the 1999 'COMETA' report on UFOs and Defense. Especially in the last decade(s), governments have released official military documents that acknowledge the factual existence of UFOs.

Furthermore; whereas initially there were only witness reports and some black and white pictures, in recent times also video material has become available. A broadly known example are the so-called Pentagon UFO videos, recordings of cockpit instrumentation displays from US Navy fighter jets based aboard aircraft carriers USS Nimitz and USS Theodore Roosevelt in 2004, 2014 and 2015, and additional footage taken by other Navy personnel in 2019. More material by Navy personnel became available in 2019 with objects overing above USS Russell, as well as a video from the USS Omaha. After front page coverage in The New York Times (of 2017-12-16) of the US Department of Defense's secret UFO program AATIP (Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program), the Pentagon formally released UFO videos in 2020 and made an official statement about these materials in 2021. Contemporary media material includes registration at various radar frequencies, infrared, etc.

Observations

The concise elements below are to illustrate the broad variance in UFO observations:

size estimates: vary greatly, from 10-15m up to about 1,5km
form: disc shaped, triangular, boomerang-form
appearance:
- metallic
- shining lights, sometimes different lights in a certain pattern
behavior in the air:
- can 'hang in the air' still without moving
- can shoot off vertically up or down at high speed
- can 'shoot off' sideways and just seemingly disappear (de-materialize)
- airplane pilots state:
  - extreme speeds (est. to upto 20.000 km/h) and rates of acceleration
  - extreme rates of climb and maneuverability (eg making 90 degrees turns at extremely high speeds)
  - can follow airplane however the plane chooses to change course
  - the objects sometimes appear to 'wobble' or rotate even when moving at very high speeds
other
- silence, total lack of noise
- absence of any trail
- move at high speed from air to under water and back, and split from one into two

.

Mankind currently does not have physical technology that is able to come near to the performance and observed behaviour of these 'flying objects', nor is there any material-scientific explanation, as the observations seem to defy current knowledge and laws of physics.

Adepts on UFOs

Adepts (and initiates) can speak from experience in higher states of consciousness (and a higher bandwidth of experiencing reality beyond the physical plane), so their statements have a different level of 'authority' and truthfulness compared to opinions of the average human being (see also White Lodge, Spiritual guidance of mankind, and Stages of clairvoyance). Therefore it is interesting to hear statements from such sources about matters which are anyway not understandable to contemporary materialistic or mineral science, which only considers at the physical-mineral dimension and ignores the higher worlds that are in scope of spiritual science (see also Relationship between mineral and spiritual science)

Daskalos

Some words of an adept, Daskalos (full extracts higher on this page) in the 1970s and 1980s.

Therefore, we should not expect to discover life in other planets the way we understand it and the way it is expressed on our Earth. Life is everywhere and not only in environments known to us. .. even the sun itself is full of life, and organized life at that. Don't you think it is rather egotistical to expect life to express itself always in the manner with which it is expressed on our planet? Just keep in mind that orthodox science has yet to explain or cope with such simple phenomena as fire-walking, telepathy or even clairvoyance. They are beginning to acknowledge them as phenomena but they can't explain them. And they still cannot understand how so-called UFOs travel with such high velocity and appear and disappear instantly. If orthodox science cannot do that, how can we assume that, because the conditions as we know them on Earth do not exist on Mars, therefore there is no life there?
... Those intelligences are more advanced, they are masters of matter. They dress themselves with gross matter at will. They have a shape similar to ours, they are human beings who have passed through the Idea of Man and, yes, they do have organized societies. ... [these entities] are assisting those of us who are at lower levels of evolution. Pay attention, not every being within our solar system is on the same level of evolution. Those who are at higher levels help those below to evolve. And when every entity attains the stage of Theosis then our solar system will have no purpose to exist. It will, sooner or later, disintegrate. Note that not all planets of our solar system are at the same level of evolution. For example, the entities on Mars may be of the highest stage of development. They may be residing within the spirit world counterpart of that planet. Consequently, they could travel anywhere within our solar system and even beyond it into other solar systems and galaxies.

Those extraterrestrials who visit us may be, therefore, from other solar systems and they visit us in order to challenge us and help us evolve. They appear like flying saucers as a way of expressing themselves to us in a material form that we can understand. When they enter our system they gather matter from our planet and appear with the known human form characteristic of our planet.

and

Daskalos then narrated an experience he had had with such beings ... this took place in 1969.
I felt them coming. I was out of my body and I came near their spaceship which was roving over my house. The beings inside sent me a message urging me to return to my body because the spaceship could burn my etheric. When I returned I heard a neighbor, an old woman, screaming ... She saw the spaceship, which looked like an expanding and contracting ball of light, ...

They returned late that night. Two of them materialized in my house. They looked like men. They explained to me that they could take on the characteristics of the beings of the planet. They wore silvery suits and it was hard to distinguish their outfits from their skin. When I touched them I felt as if I had touched a snake. We communicated by thought. They entered into my aura and at that moment they knew everything I knew.

and

When Daskalos came out of his trance once more, he continued .. to narrate his experiences with the extraterrestrials.
I just saw three flying saucers. The entities inside communicated with me ... they invited me to move onto their side and observe their work. These entities are really advanced. They live in the higher spirit world and have no form. They asked me to abandon the image of myself and join them . ... Now I must leave behind the image of myself and ascend formless with only my self-awareness. ...
"We are the guardians of garden Earth," they said. "Your Earth is like a nursery school of noisy infants."... They seemed as if they were working in groups which gave me the impression of flying saucers. I asked them whether they in fact were flying saucers but they seemed to ignore my question. Their response instead was that they are 'space people' .. they live around our planet.
.. I communicated with these beings by coordinating myself with them. I was inside them and they were inside me. I expressed a wish to meet them again and invited them to come down to Earth. They refused. They preferred, they said, to watch us from afar. "You know the way, come and meet us here," they replied. Perhaps it is not pleasant for them to visit the Earth. When I was about to return to my body they advised me, "Come pass through us so that you may go down rested." I felt very relaxed after that. They truly love us.
Daskalos expressed his amazement and ruminated upon the nature of these superintelligences.

I felt as if they were a form of light with vibrating intensity. They are innumerable. .. I was receiving their thoughts and I could understand them. I had the impression that whatever I knew they knew.

Sri M

From extracts higher on this page:

In another circular container, were two large flat discs, ... two super magnets from the aerial vehicle of the extra-terrestrials. It was because these discs had malfunctioned that they had to remain for a long time on Earth waiting for replacements from their home planet. ... the magnets were so powerful, even now, that they were kept in a special insulated container.

and

.. from between two parting clouds, emerged something that was roughly the size of a full moon, .. this object was a glowing ball of fire, and as it moved closer the rumbling became louder.
...
a globe of light .. appeared on the horizon. As it hurtled towards us it became bigger. This time the landing was smooth. No thunderclap, no noise whatsoever, as it descended in front of us. The glowing globe opened ..

As advanced spiritual beings master timespace and materialization, the question could be asked why they choose 'flying transport vehicles' to travel in materialized form together, the way humanity does, whereas they don't really need to. Nevertheless this appears to be a fact, from quotes not just by Daskalos but also by Sri M who also reports of aerial vehicles.

However one might consider that the light and objects seen are in between astral and physical materialization (see also comets), and end up materializing in proximity of Earth. See the descriptions by Daskalos about how the adept can materialize at any level and in any form desired, from the mental spirit world into the astral world and/or also from the astral word 'downward'.

Commentary

The last decade has seen an important step forward in that as video media taken with advanced military equipment have officially been made public, and official statements from the (US) government have confirmed the existence of unexplained UFO phenomena.

This represents a 'crack' in the contemporary worldview, as the phenomena are impossible to explain by the current materialistic worldview.

Daskalos' explanations in the quotes above are concise, but clear enough to confirm the existence and nature of the phenomena of UFOs. More recently, also Sri M quite openly mentions - on several occasions - glowing air-ships used for travel by advanced beings.

What is left unanswered is why these advanced beings materialize in such form and appear to humanity, and also the circumstances under which this happens. Do they appear consciously, for us to notice them and know of their existence, or do we just happen to spot them by coincidence in their ongoing activities (whatever these may be)?

They do not choose to appear on worldwide mass events (like the Olympic Games, Superbowl or World Championships), not in city centers of Tokyo, Shanghai, New York. They do not leave any comprehensible message, do not communicate but are rather evasive when seen.

Daskalos said "they visit us in order to challenge us". So are they maybe part of the confrontation of the materialistic culture and worldview (see There's a crack in everything), a modern variant or version of how miracles and magic were used in the past?

Note: The visual phenomena are open to interpretation in terms of the future physical force (currently not known to humanity, as referenced by oa Rudolf Steiner), and the astral-etheric nature of visual phenomena. It is not known on what frequencies of existing radar equipment UFOs were registered (although sometimes they seemingly did not appear on radar), and any implications for hypotheses regarding their material state. However it appears from the observed behavior of the UFOs that these are not material beings in physical-material aircrafts as the ones we known in our civilization (for example taking a sharp almost 90 degrees angle at a speed of thousands kms/h, or changing medium and going into the water at high speeds).

Materialization

To understand UFOs helps a great deal if one has experience in the spiritual world through initiation.

When one has developed along this path, it is possible to raise one's consciousness to a higher level or plane, for reference see eg Schema FMC00.479 and Schema FMC00.479A. This means that one can function as one's higher self without using one's lower bodies, like the material physical body. The initiate can rise beyond the astral world to the higher spirit world beyond space and time. From there, the initiate may travel (mental and astral travel), and then take a form to condense 'downwards' and take appearance as light or any form desired.

The base principles are (and/or will be further) explained on the Out of Body Experiences (OBE) topic page.

This is essentially what is taking place with UFOs, they represent spiritual beings all right, but not material physical airships like we know them and create them. The UFOs can be just light, or condense down further using the etheric formative forces so they become visible on radar, and also take any shape or form physically. Therefore one should not think of the UFO as a physical material phenomenon, as it can only be understood spiritually.

Various notes

1 - The 1947 Roswell incident
- .. became world famous because of witness reports and media attention, far quite a while it appeared clearly something special had happened there. Fast forward to the 2020s, and meanwhile web research shows that the event has been officially positioned as a balloon event, and all other versions are played down considerably, or information seems to have disappeared.
- An interesting element is the official memo that has become available thanks to the US Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). It concerns an 1950 internal memo to J. Edgar Hoover, the Director of the FBI, from the head of the Washington, D.C. field office. The memo describes how an Air Force investigator reported that three flying saucers were recovered in New Mexico, and that the the incident may have happened because of 'a very high-powered radar' device that the government has there, which interfered with the UFOs' 'controlling mechanisms.' They [the saucers] were described as being circular in shape with raised centers, approximately 50 feet in diameter. Each one was occupied by three bodies of human shape but only three feet tall, dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture. Each body was bandaged in a manner similar to the blackout suits used by speed fliers and test pilots.
- Again: this memo has been positioned as having not much importance or relevance or even having nothing to do with the 1947 event.
- Notes
  - Compare the quote from this report "dressed in metallic cloth of a very fine texture" with what Daskalos said some 30 years later (quote above) "They wore silvery suits and it was hard to distinguish their outfits from their skin. When I touched them I felt as if I had touched a snake."
  - Remains unanswered: if the 1947 event truly happened and was so special, why would the memo then only reach the head of the FBI three years later? Was this perhaps kept a strict military secret first, even for the FBI?
2 - Note Roswell is well known but surely not the only event of such 'interesting' nature, see also the 1974 Berwyn incident in the UK.

Note 3 - Aliens security threat to humanity

Introduction

This note documents the topic of worldwide coverage in media and entertainment on topics of aliens, UFOs, abductions, etc .. in order to separate it from reality and position it as a topic for study in context of History#Note 1 - On process - quest for truth in times of untruthfulness.

The goal of this note is to take a step back and provide an overview of the last 75 years (1950-2025), and trigger for the personal soul work proposed in History#Note 1 - On process - quest for truth in times of untruthfulness.

Since the 1950s there has been an information campaign to seed and influence public opinion, as well as cause confusion through deluge of desinformation and stuff 'made up', as part of a larger agenda of the established powers in the West.

Part of the reasons why this is done is to justify militarization not just on Earth but also in space. In the below, when reading 'weapons' replace imaginatively by 'control', as the mechanism, principle or engine driving and sustaining 'the powers that be' is one that exploits polarization and therefore cultivates the divide. Therefore two parties are needed, and an enemy is needed, who-ever the enemy is. From a spiritual perspective, this is opposing brotherhood between people for the building of ever greater power and wealth. See more on: Contemporary worldview war

The purpose of this note is to structurally bring together and group information and some of the elements in this information campaign, as it related to the subject matter of this topic page (which is a sense mis-used, see above).

Hollywood films on alien invaders (examples below)
US president references to UFOs and aliens (and weapens in space), most famously
- President Ronald Reagan (1983) announced the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), or "Star Wars," aiming to deploy laser and missile defense systems in space to intercept nuclear missiles
- President Ronald Reagan (1987): Alien Invasion Speech at the United Nations about how an extraterrestrial threat could unite humanity
- President Donald Trump (2019), after Trump directed the Pentagon to establish the Space Force as a new branch of the U.S. military, the U.S. Space Command (USSPACECOM) was reestablished as a precursor to the Space Force, and the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) was signed into law, formally creating the U.S. Space Force as the sixth branch of the U.S. Armed Forces to protect U.S. assets in space, including satellites, and to counter potential threats from adversaries like China and Russia.

Reference extracts

1950s Hollywood films on alien invaders

The first alien landing films where extraterrestrials arrive on Earth gained popularity in the 1950s, with notable examples:

The Day the Earth Stood Still (1951, remake 2008)
The War of the Worlds (1953)
Invaders from Mars (1953)
It Came from Outer Space (1953)

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the number of movies is uncountable, and in great varieties, topics of aliens are mixed with UFOs, abductions, the moon landings, etc.

Popular example: X-files with 9 seasons and 202 episodes (1993-2002).

Another recent example is the 2021 TV series 'Alien Conspiracy: They Are Here' (evidence keeps mounting to suggest we need to fast track that realization and contend with aliens from outer space whether we're ready or not)

197X - Dr. Wernher von Braun, quoted by Carol Rosin

excerpt of interview with Carol Rosin, Dr. Von Braun (1912-1977) was her mentor .. with Carol speaking about what Von Braun had divulged to her.

text extract here taken from 2020 book by Daniel Joseph 'You are the whale - The teachings of Daskalos', Ch 9. Guardians of Garden Earth

See also movie on youtube www.youtube.com/watch?v=gP8ftWzFYI4 at 1'50 onwards to 11'05

Note: Carol Rosin (1944) went on to found the 'Institute for Security and Cooperation in Outer Space' (ISCOS) (and proposal 'Treaty on the Prevention of the Placement of Weapons in Outer Space'); see more on peaceinspace.com

I met the late Dr Wernher von Braun in early '74, at that time Von Braun was dying of cancer, but he assured me that he would live a few more years in order to tell me about the game that was being played, that game being the effort to weaponize space, to control Earth from space and space itself.
What was most interesting to me was a repetitive sentence that he said to me over and over again... that was, the strategy that was being used to educate the public and decision makers, and the scare tactics, the spin that was being put on (as justification for our advanced) weapons system... (was based upon) ...how we identify an enemy.
The enemy at first, (Von Braun) said, (to justify our) ... space-based weapons system ... first the Russians are going to be considered the enemy... then terrorists would be identified... then we were going to identify third world crazies [i.e. Osama bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Kim Jong-un] ... The next enemy was asteroids... [and] against asteroids we're going to build space-based weapons.
And the funniest one of all was against what he called aliens, extraterrestrials. That would be the final card. And over, and over, and over during the four years that I knew him and was giving his speeches for him, he would bring up that last card.
"And remember Carol, the last card is the alien card. We're going to have to build space-based weapons against aliens."

"And all of it", he said, "is a lie".

2012 - Terry Boardman

transcript from movie 'The Karma of Untruthfulness Documentary - feat. Terry Boardman', see History#References and further reading

excerpt 8'15 to 12'00

.. what they gain through doing it is, that it is basically a subtle form (or sometimes non so subtle form) of mind control
so that if for example you have a problem, and you encourage people to think about this problem in society in such a way that you get them to think that there are only two possibilities to think about this problem ... so that the public are always constrained - unbeknown to themselves almost - because these are the only two views that are ever presented in thinking about this problem
then the public can be guided along these rather narrow channels in the way they think about this problem .. so that then, it'll become easier for these elite groups to produce the kind of solution to this problem that they actually desire
if one thinks of a particular example, one could think of how President Ronald Reagan seeded the idea in the early 80s of how good it would be if mankind would collaborate in dealing with an alien invasion
[Quote is Ronald Reagan excerpt]
just think how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species from another planet ...
so he was speaking basically within the context of the cold war with the tension tensions between Russia and America and saying .. well if there was an alien invasion I'm sure we would .. all humanity would get together and unite and turn against the common enemy
and then you can see for example how before him there had been a number of films which had been made in America predominantly which focused on this question of alien encounters
and then as we go on through he following decades we see that this idea is continually put forward .. one can think for example of the X Files in the 1990s; and then in 2001 I think it was you had a very major public statement by something called the disclosure project
[Quote]
are you ready for the truth
I have uh over 3.000 cases now
they estimated 100 yard from the left wing was this 100 ft disc
and the strength of the signal was as strong as a surface contact on the water of an aircraft jet
and there you had quite a high powered presentation by this group of individuals who were really saying: "well the aliens are here and the government is covering it up and we need to accept that they are here and find ways to work with the aliens"
and so this idea has been of course continued through the last 10 years or so and it seems to be now focusing increasingly in the last few years on what's going supposed to be happening [at the end of 2012 where in a new book ... ]
later this week government officials, pilots and scientists going on the record about their own Close Encounters
55% of the American public believes the government is likely withholding information about UFO
if we discovered that space aliens were planning to attack and we needed a a massive buildup to counter the space alien threat this slump would be over in 18 months
so it builds up a certain expectation as to what could happen at the end of 2012 in relation to alien invasions so that humanity comes together .. humanity becomes one .. well then who is to be the representative of this humanity, you know?
so since the 70s and ' 80s in Reagan statements we have been acclimatized through this idea to think of humanity being all together in one form and then presumably we would have one person or one group or one government ... who would represent us either to the aliens in in collaborating with the aliens or in fighting against the aliens

Various more information and work area

Quick overview info via chapgpt:

Early Cold War & The Space Race (1950s–1960s)

1957: The Soviet Union launched Sputnik 1, sparking U.S. fears that space could be militarized.
1958: The U.S. tested Project Argus, detonating nuclear bombs at high altitudes to study electromagnetic pulse (EMP) effects.
1962: The U.S. conducted the Starfish Prime test, detonating a nuclear bomb 400 km above the Pacific Ocean, damaging satellites and confirming the dangers of nuclear space explosions.
1967: The Outer Space Treaty was signed by the U.S., USSR, and others, prohibiting the placement of nuclear weapons in space but not banning conventional weapons.

Strategic Defense Initiatives & Space-Based Weapons (1970s–1990s)

1971: The Soviet Union launched Almaz, a manned military space station with a cannon for self-defense.
1983: President Ronald Reagan announced the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI), or "Star Wars," aiming to deploy laser and missile defense systems in space to intercept nuclear missiles.
1985: The U.S. used an ASM-135 anti-satellite (ASAT) missile to destroy a satellite in orbit.
1990s: After the Cold War, space-based weaponization efforts slowed, focusing instead on reconnaissance satellites.

Modern Space Militarization (2000s–Present)

2007: China conducted an ASAT test, destroying one of its own weather satellites, raising concerns about space debris.
2008: The U.S. responded with Operation Burnt Frost, using a missile to destroy a malfunctioning satellite.
2019: The U.S. created the United States Space Force (USSF), acknowledging space as a military domain.
2021: Russia conducted an ASAT test, destroying a defunct satellite, drawing criticism for space debris risks.
2023: Reports surfaced that Russia may be developing nuclear-capable space weapons, sparking concerns among U.S. and NATO officials.

Current Developments & Future Concerns

The U.S., Russia, China, and India continue to develop space-based military technology.
Space-based laser weapons, satellite jammers, and hypersonic missile tracking systems are under development.
Concerns over a potential arms race in space persist, with discussions on new treaties and regulations.

Related pages

References and further reading

Alexander Wilder (1823-1899) as editor, re-publishing (1877) of two treatises:
- Hyde Clarke (1815-1895): 'Serpent and siva worship and mythology in Central America, Africa and Asia'
- C. Staniland Wake (1835-1910): 'The origin of serpent worship' (originally published in 1872)
theosophy.wiki topic page for Kumara

Extra terrestrial intelligences

Aspects

summary position

various

Inspirational quotes

Illustrations

Lecture coverage and references

Rudolf Steiner

1903-12-22-GA090A

1904-09-06-GA091

1912-08-XX-GA265A

Schema FMC00.313

Powell - The solar system (1930)

Daskalos - HTS, Ch. 7

quote A - general

quote B

quote C

Daskalos - MoS, Ch. 10

from Chapter 10: 'The Guardians of Planet Earth'

quote A

quote B - another encounter

quote C - some higher beings have names

1989-10 - Daskalos

Sri M - TJC - Ch. 10

Sri M - AHM

quote A from Ch. 29

quote B from Ch. 45

Discussion

Note 1 - The 'coming of the Lords of Venus'

Background

Discussion note

Mount Kailash

Historical findings in the areas of the Himalaya and Gobi Desert

Baigong pipes

Note 2 - UFOs

Introduction

Positioning

Overview of last century

Observations

Adepts on UFOs

Daskalos

Sri M

Commentary

Materialization

Various notes

Further reading and references

Documentaries

Note 3 - Aliens security threat to humanity

Introduction

Reference extracts

1950s Hollywood films on alien invaders

197X - Dr. Wernher von Braun, quoted by Carol Rosin

2012 - Terry Boardman

Various more information and work area

Related pages

References and further reading